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Irish Warriors Alternative Guide to Superbowl MVP'S

irishwarriors 163 posts

I think it's fair to say that the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award doesn't always necessarily go the most deserving player and most here will probably agree. This thread is an attempt to put that right.

Over the next few months I'm going to be posting my thoughts on who I think should have won each respective MVP Award for the forty two Super Bowl games played to date, starting with the Packers historic win over the Chiefs in Super Bowl I and ending with the Giants upset victory over the Patriots a few months ago. One of my main rules is I cannot pick the main receipient of the award it has to be a member of the losing side or an alternative member of consideration.

So, let's get this party started! Please feel free to comment on my MVP winners. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

Super Bowl I to follow...

irishwarriors 163 posts

Max McGee had a bit of a reputation. In fact he had several - not least of which was his renown for enjoying the nightlife, the odd drink and the company of the fairer sex. Like rules, bones and probably a few hearts, a curfew was just something else to be broken by McGee...and the curfew the night before the first ever Super Bowl game wasn't going to be an exception.

Max snuck out of the Packers team hotel with his buddy and future Hall of Famer Paul Hornung just after bed check on January 14th 1967 and into the Los Angeles night - and they wouldn't return until after the sun had rose on January 15th. Game day.

McGee figured that as a back-up, his services probably wouldn't be called upon against the AFL Champion's from Kansas City - but when starting flanker Boyd Dowler went down with a seperated shoulder early in the game, Packers Head Coach Vince Lombardi called the number of his sleep deprived, 34 year old, hungover receiver to enter the ball game...

Seven receptions (including a spectacular, iconic one handed scoring grab - the first score in Super Bowl history), 138 yards and two touchdowns later, a Super Bowl legend by the name of Max McGee was born.

irishwarriors 163 posts

It had been a long and fine career for Don Chandler and retirement beckoned for the 33 year old veteran kicker. Super Bowl II was to be the end of his very successful twelve year run in pro football. Eventually the All-Pro Chandler would be named to the NFL's official 1960's All-Decade team in recognition of his extended excellence as both a place kicker AND a punter.

The symmetry was perfect. Don had played his College ball at the University of Florida. The Super Bowl against the AFL Champion Oakland Raiders would be played at the Orange Bowl in Miami. Everything was falling into place.

You always dream of going out on top and Chandler certainly did just that with a perfect display against the Raiders. On a day when the Packers offense seemed to lack the killer instinct to turn trips deep into enemy territory into touchdowns, Chandler's flawless performance saw him make all seven of his place kick attempts and collect nineteen of Green Bay's thirty three points. In reply, Oakland were only able to muster fourteen.

Chandler cemented Vince Lombardi's place in history as the victory was the great man's last as the Packers Head Coach and ended a nine year run in Green Bay in which he captured six Western Conference Championships, five NFL Titles and the first two Super Bowls.

irishwarriors 163 posts
Super Bowl III MVP - RB Matt Snell (New York Jets

Matt Snell had already snubbed the NFL once. In Super Bowl III he and the underdog AFL Champion New York Jets were about to do it again. Snell was drafted out of Ohio State in 1964 by the established and well to do New York Giants of the National Football League - but in the AFL draft the upstart, cross town Jets made a play for the powerful running back too... ...and much to the chagrin of the Giants and the NFL, Snell opted to make his home at Shea Stadium rather than Yankee Stadium, a nice little coup for Jets owner Sonny Werblin in the ongoing and vicious AFL/NFL war for the best football talent. The date of January 12th 1969 consolidated Snell's decision to join the Jets as he mercilessly trampled the heavily favoured NFL Champion Baltimore Colts with 161 punishing yards from scrimmage and the New Yorkers only touchdown of the game. So dominant was Snell and the Jets running game that New York didn't throw a SINGLE pass in the fourth quarter of the game as Big Matt crushed the Colts and pulled off what is still considered to be one of the biggest upsets in American sports history.
irishwarriors 163 posts
Super Bowl IV MVP - LB Willie Lanier (Kansas City Chiefs) They called him "Contact" and rightfully so because of his ferocious tackling...but Willie Lanier was more than just a brutal hitter capable of putting the fear of God into opposing backs and receivers. Lanier was a pioneer. Lanier was the first African-American to excel in professional football at middle linebacker, a position (much like quarterback) that previously had been reserved for white athletes in the pro's. A prototypical combination of size, speed, intelligence and toughness, Willie was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1986 after an exceptional career that saw "Contact" break not only the spirits of offensive opponents but more importantly racial myths and barriers too. Lanier's finest day came on January 11th 1970 against the all conquering Minnesota Vikings, the undisputed Champions of the NFL and two touchdown favourites to win Super Bowl IV over the AFL Champion Kansas City Chiefs. The Vegas bookmakers though had underestimated Lanier and his defensive unit. Severely underestimated. The inspirational and dominant Lanier led the charge that limited the Vikings to a mere 239 yards, forced five turnovers and held Minnesota to just three successful third down conversions and seven points during Super Bowl IV. Lanier ended the game as the Chiefs leading tackler - and he picked off a pass for good measure - enroute to legendary status and Super Bowl immortality
marc 698 posts

I love the idea. Thanks for launching this thread on The Sports Sanctuary!

marc 698 posts

I didn't know they had bed-checks in the National Football League. But, I would have gone with Lombardi. He may have not been playing, but he was truly controlling the team's performance from the sidelines.

marc 698 posts

Agreed, without a doubt.

Snell was a beast - comparable to Marshawn Lynch of today.

marc 698 posts

He was cunning like a fox and ferocious like a lion - except not in Machiavelli's context.

Good choice!

irishwarriors 163 posts

Just found the other pictures of Willie lanier and Mat Snell. Is there any way you could insert them in the previous posts or is it too late?

irishwarriors 163 posts

The soul destroying defeat suffered in Super Bowl III by the seemingly invincible and heavily favoured Baltimore Colts left the team utterly humiliated...and no one felt that abject pain and despair more acutely than middle linebacker and four time Pro Bowler Mike Curtis.

For the two long years after the historic victory by Broadway Joe and the New York Jets, the loss still haunted Curtis like a tormenting spectre. Curtis was enraged by the Super Bowl let down and he carried that burning anger with him in all that he did. The man christened "Mad Dog" because of his animal like ferocity on the gridiron felt deep down in his broken heart that his Colts were a better team than the Jets two years ago...and they blew a chance at immortality.

With that firmly in mind, Curtis saw Super Bowl V as a second chance, an opportunity to put right what went so horribly wrong and finish a job that was long overdue.

With little over a minute left in the game, a contest riddled with errors by both the Colts and the NFC Champion Dallas Cowboys stood at thirteen points a piece.

Dallas had the football and were hoping to mount a last gasp drive to put the game away and condemn Baltimore to another crushing defeat - but said drive did not start well. Facing a second-and-34 from their own 27 yard line after a loss on first down and an ill-timed holding penalty, Cowboy quarterback Craig Morton called for a passing play named "13-Takeoff".

Depending on the defensive scheme he faced, Cowboy running back and primary receiver on the play Dan Reeves had the option of running a post against man coverage or finding a soft spot downfield if the Colts played zone - which indeed the Colts did.

As Reeves sat down in the hole, Morton fired a high pass to his running back that forced Reeves to leave his feet and climb the ladder to make the all important grab...

...but the Cowboy back only succeeded in letting the football fly through his hands - and into the welcoming arms of a man who had been waiting twenty four painful months for a second chance...a chance that he wasn't going to miss for the world.

Curtis advanced the ball down to the Dallas 27 yard line with just 69 seconds left in the game. The interception was the deciding play of the contest and capped a dominant game for Mad Dog who had also logged six crucial tackles along the way.

The end for Dallas came swiftly when rookie place kicker Jim O'Brien sealed the deal for Baltimore with a 32 yard field goal...but despite the sweet last second victory many of the veterans from the Super Bowl III loss, Curtis included cast their minds back to that fateful game against the Jets and wondered what might have been...

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl VI MVP - RB Duane Thomas

was going to take something big to encourage Duane Thomas to start talking again. Something like a victory in Super Bowl VI over the Miami Dolphins. Evidently.

For five months prior to the game, the former Rookie of the Year had taken something akin to a vow of silence. Thomas was angry about the Cowboys pay structure. He felt used by the organisation and suspected that a culture of racism existed in the Dallas front office and throughout the NFL. Thomas saw the media as a tool of the oppression he felt and resolved to offer the television and newspaper men who sought out his time and comments with the last thing they wanted. His silence.

Thomas' behaviour earned him the some what sarcastic moniker of "The Sphinx" from the media people he snubbed. Thomas was vilified by the press for his perceived surly and uncooperative manner - plus the running back's attitude was not appreciated by many of the Dallas players, coaching staff and executives.

Subsequently, Thomas was traded to New England - but, equally unimpressed with his defiance and demeanour the Patriots banished Thomas from Boston and he was sent back to Texas under the pretense that he had "failed" his physical with the AFC team. Thomas was back on the Cowboys roster and back to square one...and he still wasn't talking. The silence was deafening.

During the rest of the season, Head Coach Tom Landry tolerated the unique and bizarre situation that his best running back had created. Thomas went on to lead the entire NFL in touchdowns, despite only playing in eleven games during the regular season of 1971.

The prolific scoring trend continued into the playoffs as The Sphinx found the endzone in both the Cowboys Divisional Round victory over Minnesota and the NFC Championship game win over San Francisco. Thomas was letting his play on the football field do all the talking he needed.

Come the Super Bowl, Dallas routed Miami and Thomas again proved to be the Cowboys most dangerous weapon by leading the team in yards from scrimmage with 112 and scoring yet another touchdown to add to his league best haul.

Infamously in the locker room after the game, The Sphinx was approached by CBS sportscaster Tom Brookshier who seeked a television interview from the enigmatic Super Bowl winning running back. A nervous Brookshier asked, ""Duane, uh, you do things with speed, but you never really hurry a lot like the great Jim Brown. Uh, you never hurry into a hole. You take your time, make a spin, yet you still outrun people. Are you that fast? Are you quick, would you say?"

Thomas responded by glaring into the camera for what seemed an age before uttering his infamous response.

"Evidently." he said.

Super Bowl VI was Thomas' last game for the Dallas Cowboys. Despite having his talents compared to those of the great Jim Brown, Thomas was out of the NFL after the 1974 season. The riddle that was The Sphinx was never solved..

marc 698 posts

I do not believe so.

Despite being an Administrator, I do not have the power to edit other member's posts - other than my own.

You may be able to, though.

marc 698 posts

Are you posting these elsewhere, too? These are sensational!

marc 698 posts

Wow - It's the Sphinx! I've heard about him numerous times before, but I'm not old enough to remember him. Still, these bring back some memories from back in the day.

irishwarriors 163 posts

– Super Bowl VII MVP – DT Manny Fernandez

Throughout the long and rich history of the NFL, of all the players who were never invited to play in a Pro Bowl game you’ll do pretty well to find a better one than Manny Fernandez. Fernandez was used to being ignored though. Pro scouts paid him little attention during his collegiate career. Subsequently he went undrafted out of the University of Utah before being later signed as a free agent by Miami in 1968. Rumour has it that the Head Coach at Utah (who had been dismissed after enduring a losing season in Fernandez’ senior year) had declined to recommend any of his former players to professional scouts as he blamed them for the loss of his coaching job. It’s been suggested that Fernandez’ surname held a certain appeal to the Dolphins and that the young organisation perhaps hoped Manny could speak Spanish to the growing Cuban population of the area and sell a few extra tickets for home games. Unfortunately for the Phins, Fernandez’ name was perhaps a little misleading as he, a California native who’d grown up near Oakland didn’t speak a word of the Cuban’s native tongue. Aside from the apparent linguistic limitation of only being able to speak English, Fernandez had two other problems to worry about. His eyes. Fernandez suffered with appalling vision. One eye was tested at 20/200, the other at 20/300. Manny once admitted that during night games, especially if his opponents were wearing dark jerseys he’d had a real problem identifying handoffs and play fakes. Fernandez overcame his poor eye sight and excelled on the football field as a key member of Miami’s “No Name Defense” that would propel the team to three successive AFC Championship wins and back to back Super Bowl victories – not to mention of course the only perfect season of the Super Bowl era. Manny enjoyed the game of his life against Washington in Super Bowl VII. Despite playing at the very heart of the interior of the defensive line and often picking up double teams at the line of scrimmage, Fernandez was so dominant that incredibly he led the Dolphins in tackles and produced a drive ending sack at a point when the Redskins were threatening to score. Manny blew up an offensive line that had accounted for 148.7 rushing yards per game during the 1972 regular season and was led by All-Pro running back Larry Brown (the NFL’s leader that year in combined yards from scrimmage) while Pro Bowl quarterback Billy Kilmer formed a deadly partnership with future Hall of Fame wide receiver Charley Taylor. Despite their formidable talent, the NFC Champions’ offense accounted for precisely zero points in Super Bowl VII - primarily due to the outstanding efforts of one Manny Fernandez, the man who provided the exclamation point to Miami’s unforgettable and legendary perfect season.

marc 698 posts

Wow - I never knew about all of his eyesight complication. I also thought he spoke Spanish, too.

He probably made the most out of the least.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl VIII MVP – LB Nick Buoniconti (Miami Dolphins

Nick Buoniconti, the Hall of Fame, eight time first team All-AFL/AFC middle linebacker once said that, “every play was like life or death” to him. His relentless, inspirational and fiery play on the football field provided substance and accuracy to those brutally frank words.

1973 had been an incredible year for Buoniconti. The defending NFL Champion Miami Dolphins had advanced to the Super Bowl for the third straight season (an NFL first), not least due to the considerable efforts of the Buoniconti led defensive unit unfairly christened “The No Name Defense”.

The so called “No Name Defense” had given up the least amount of points in the NFL, the least passing yards, the least passing touchdowns, the second fewest first downs and the third fewest total yards. They were the epitome of eleven men working together as one perfect machine.

The outstanding player of this formidable group of defenders was Buoniconti who was subsequently named as the Dolphins MVP (the third time he’d received such an honour) after a record setting campaign that saw him establish a then team record for most tackles in a single season with a mammoth 162 - 91 of which were unassisted.

Against the NFC Champion Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl VIII, Buoniconti led from the front and took matters into his own hands as his team attempted to repeat as NFL Champions and become the first club to do so since Vince Lombardi’s Green Bay Packers six years earlier.

The contest started well for Miami who established a sizeable seventeen point lead during the first half…but late in the second quarter the Minnesota offense came to life and threatened a come back before half time.

With six minutes left in the second quarter, the Vikings had the ball on their own twenty yard line. They knew that they had to get some points on the board before the break – and they set about said task impressively with a well balanced drive that featured three timely third down conversions via completions from future Hall of Fame quarterback Fran Tarkenton.

Momentum was building for Minnesota…

The Vikings invaded Miami’s Red Zone, penetrating deep into the defending Super Bowl Champions territory. After a Tarkenton scramble (halted by a Buoniconti tackle) and a couple of stuffed runs, Minnesota faced a Fourth and One situation at the Dolphins six yard line. The clock showed a little over half a minute left in the half. Staring at a seventeen point deficit, the NFC Champions shunned a field goal attempt and lined up to run a play…

Reliable running back Oscar Reed took the handoff from Tarkenton and headed right looking for the precious single yard that he and his team desperately needed in order to stay in the game…but Buoniconti read the play perfectly…

The Dolphins All-Star linebacker jammed the hole and forced Reed into a costly fumble. Miami recovered and the threat was over. Buoniconti had pulled off the play of the game and in doing so had crushed both Minnesota’s growing momentum and their now dwindling spirits.

In the second half the Norse Men were never in the contest after their failure to convert such an important fourth down. The Dolphins cruised to a 24-7 victory to cement their undisputed dominance as the Kings of Professional Football. Without Buoniconti’s critical contribution though (he also led his team in tackles during the game) it could very easily have been a different ball game.

"If they had any momentum going, it was taken away on that play," Buoniconti said. "Had they scored at halftime, you never know how they would have responded in the second half. I'm not saying it was the most important play of the game, but it was an important one."

A modest comment from a great player, who’s own shining performance was such a deciding factor in Super Bowl glory.

marc 698 posts

He had a nice hold, but Frank Tarkenton did a swell job.

I agree with you on Buoniconti for MVP.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl IX MVP – DT Joe Greene (Pittsburgh Steelers

Throughout the fabled history of the National Football League never has there been a more dominant defensive tackle than Charles Edward Greene – better known to you and I of course as “Mean Joe”.

Greene was the cornerstone of the great Pittsburgh Steelers dynasty of the 1970’s and the key component of the legendary “Steel Curtain” defense that bludgeoned opponents into submission during a decade of destruction that resulted in four Vince Lombardi trophies being brought back to Three Rivers Stadium.

Greene was a player capable of single handedly taking control of a football game. In his prime Mean Joe was simply unblockable. The fourth overall pick of the 1969 draft made his presence felt immediately in the league. His overpowering play in the trenches quickly established Greene as one of the best defensive linemen in all of pro football. Mean Joe was invited to play in the first of ten Pro Bowls after earning the prestigious title of NFL Rookie of the Year.

Individual honours came quickly and easily for Greene. From his defensive left tackle spot, the perennial All-Pro was named as the NFL Defensive Player of the Year not once but twice during an extraordinary thirteen year career that culminated in Canton, Ohio with Mean Joe’s well deserved 1987 induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Greene was also named to the NFL’s exclusive All-Decade team for the 1970’s and the elite ranks of the 75th Anniversary All-Time team, reserved only for the absolute best of the best. Expect Mean Joe to be one of the first men named to the NFL’s 100th Anniversary team in years to come.

In Super Bowl IX against the Minnesota Vikings, Greene was at his commanding best as he battled for ground supremacy at the violent epicentre of the line of scrimmage. The contest was a defensive struggle, a war of attrition, physical in the extreme. The unlikely half time score showed a minimal 2-0 advantage for Pittsburgh on the strength of a solitary safety. Both the “Steel Curtain” and Minnesota’s famed “Purple People Eater” defense were unyielding in their do or die quest for victory.

In the second half the Steelers added to their slim lead by finding the endzone and going up by nine points after the Vikings had fumbled the opening kickoff and presented Pittsburgh with the ball on the Minnesota 30 yard line.

In a low scoring slug-fest, the Vikings knew that they had to score quickly to get back in the game - or risk falling to an unprecedented third Super Bowl defeat and their second in two years. Greene and the Steelers knew this also and dug in deep accordingly.

The Steel Curtain continued to repel the best efforts of the NFC Champion’s assaults. Late in the third quarter Mean Joe ended one drive with a timely interception after Minnesota had managed to penetrate Pittsburgh territory. In the fourth quarter after a Franco Harris fumble had given the Vikings possession in the Steelers half, Minnesota made their way down to the Black and Gold’s five yard line and a first and goal situation.

The Norse Men entrusted the football to their best rushing threat, All-Pro and Pro Bowl running back Chuck Foreman. Foreman had enjoyed a fabulous season, compiling the fourth most yards from scrimmage and leading the entire league in touchdowns scored – but those impressive achievements counted for nothing when Greene found Foreman in the backfield like a ball carrier seeking missile, forced Chuck to fumble then recovered the ball himself to frustrate yet another Minnesota thrust.

Greene’s big plays had kept the Vikings offense off of the Super Bowl scoreboard. The game ended 16-6. When Minnesota did eventually score, the touchdown came on special teams after a blocked punt rather than as a result of having overcome Mean Joe’s “Steel Curtain”.

The NFC Champions ended the game with just 119 yards of total offense and a Super Bowl low of 17 rushing yards. The AFC Champions ended the game as the NFL and Super Bowl Champions for the first, but certainly not the last, time.

marc 698 posts

These essays/articles are quite sensational!

irishwarriors 163 posts

Superbowl X MVP-QB Terry Bradshaw The plaudits for the Steelers thrilling 21-17 win over the Dallas cowboys will go to Lynn Swann and deservedly so. Everyone remembers his majestic 63 card catch but for one of the many times in his career Terry Bradshaw arguably the most underrated QB in National Football League History.

A tough competitor, Bradshaw had a powerful – albeit at times erratic – throwing arm and was a minority of QB's who called his own plays throughout his pro career. Bradshaw was indeed fortunate to be a Pttsburgh Steeler. In the 1969 NFL Draft the Steelers won a coin flip tiebreaker with the Chicago Bears due to both teams having equivalent 1-13 records in 1969. It seems quite hard to believe but in his rookie season Bradshaw was extremely eratic and earned plenty of critiscm from the Pittsburgh media for his perceived lack of intelligence and rural roots. Once he got over the hump though a deep path to success lay in his way . Terry quickly becae accustomed to success leading the Steelers to eight AFC Central championships and an unprecedented collection of Super Bowl rings. The Steelers featured the "Steel Curtain" defense and a powerful running attack led by Franco Harris, but Bradshaw's strong arm gave them the threat of the deep pass, helping to loosen opposing defenses. In 1972, he threw the pass leading to the "Immaculate Reception", among the most famous plays in NFL history. Bradshaw temporarily lost the starting job to Joe Gilliam in 1974, but Bradshaw took over again during the regular season and in the 1974 AFC Championship Game against the Oakland Raiders, his fourth-quarter touchdown pass to Lynn Swann proved to be the winning score in a 24-13 victory. In the Steelers’ 16-6 Super Bowl IX victory over the Minnesota Vikings that followed, Bradshaw completed 9 of 14 passes and his fourth-quarter touchdown pass put the game out of reach and helped take the Steelers to their first Super Bowl victory against the Norsemen.

Following a successful 1975 season the Steelers looked to make it a successful repeat of their crown when they took on the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl X a game many experts consider one of the most entertaining Super Bowls ever. Right after the opening Kickoff when Cowboys ran a reverse where rookie linebacker Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson took a handoff from Preston Pearson and returned the ball a Super Bowl record 48 yards before kicker Roy Gerela forced him out of bounds at the Steelers 44-yard line. Roger Staubach then threw a 29 yard pass to Drew Pearson. Things were looking ominious for the Steelers but instead of trying to immediately tie the game on a long passing play, the Steelers ran the ball on the first four plays of their ensuing possession, and thenTerry Bradshaw completed a 32-yard pass to wide receiver Lynn Swann to reach the Cowboys 16-yard line. Two running plays further advanced the ball to the 7-yard line. Then on third down and one, the Steelers managed to fool the Cowboys. Pittsburgh brought in two tight ends, which usually signals a running play. After the snap, tight end Randy Grossman faked a block to the inside as if it were a running play, but then ran a pass route into the endzone, and Bradshaw threw the ball to him for a touchdown, tying the game, 7-7. Dallas responded on their next drive, advancing the ball 51 yards and scoring on kicker Toni Fritsch's 36-yard field goal to take a 10-7 lead early in the second quarter. The Steelers subsequently advanced to the Cowboys 36-yard line on their next possession, but on fourth down and two, Bradshaw's pass was broken up by Dallas safety Cliff Harris.

The Steelers offense got the ball back their own 6-yard line with 3:47 left in the half. On the drive, Bradshaw completed a 53-yard pass to Swann to advance the ball to the Cowboys 37-yard line; Swann's catch has become one of the most memorable acrobatic catches in Super Bowl history but it ended in nothing for Pittsburgh when Gerela missed a 36-yard field goal attempt with 22 seconds remaining in the period. The 3rd quarter was scoreless but in the 4th breaks started happening for Pittsburgh. But early in the fourth quarter, Dallas punter Mitch Hoopes was forced to punt from inside his own goal line. As Hoopes stepped up to make the kick, Steelers running back Reggie Harrison broke through the line and blocked the punt. The ball went through the end zone for a safety, cutting the Dallas lead to 10-9. Then Steelers running back Mike Collier returned the free kick 25 yards to the Cowboys 45-yard line. Dallas halted the ensuing drive at the 20-yard line, but this time Gerela successfully kicked a 36-yard field goal to give Pittsburgh their first lead of the game, 12-10.

Then on the first play of the Cowboys' next drive, Steelers defensive back Mike Wagner intercepted a pass from Staubach and returned it 19 yards to the Dallas 7-yard line. The Cowboys defense again managed to prevent a touchdown, but Gerela kicked an 18-yard field goal to increase the Steelers lead to 15-10. On their next drive with 4.25 remaning and the Steelers finding themselves facing 3rd down and 6 on their own 36-yard line.

Assuming that the Cowboys would be expecting a short pass or a run, Bradshaw decided to try a long pass and told Swann in the huddle to run a deep post pattern. As Bradshaw dropped back to pass, Harris and linebacker D.D. Lewis both blitzed in an attempt to sack him. But Bradshaw managed to dodge Lewis and throw the ball just before being leveled by Harris and lineman Larry Cole, who landed a helmet-to-helmet hit on Bradshaw. Swann then caught the ball at the 5-yard line and ran into the end zone for a 64-yard touchdown completion to seal the deal for Pittsburgh's second strsight Superbowl. Roger Staubauch led his team 80 yards in 5 plays on the ensuing drive, scoring on a 34-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Percy Howard and cutting their deficit to 21-17 but his late comeback threats were thwarted by the hands of Garry Edwards as time expired. There is no doubt that whilst Lynn Swann made the catches Bradshaw's determination and ressilence was a major factor in Pisstburgh retaining their second straight Superbowl.

marc 698 posts

I can't argue with you there!

irishwarriors 163 posts

Superbowl XI MVP: Clarence Davis It may seem hard to believe but Clarence davis was often a forgotten part of the Raiders high powered offense in the 1970's playing as a backup to Mark Van Eegghen.

Drafted as a 1971 4th round pick Davis first earned a place in the spotlight in the famous Sea of hands game in 1974 between the Oaland Raiders and Miami Dolphins. This play is generally considered one of the most spectacular plays in Postseason History. With just 35 seconds remaining and the raiders trailing 26-21 with a 1st and Goal situation Ken Stabler had one last chance to ensure Oakland would win one of the greatest Postseason games of all time. Stabler called a pass play and rolled out Left. In desperation he somehow avoided a sack by Dolphins Defensive End Van Den herder and threw a desperation pass into the Endzone. Miami defensive back Charlie Babb, and linebacker Mike Kolen all leaped for the ball at the same time and each got their hands on it. Davis, however, out-wrestled Babb and Kolen for the ball and the winning score.

The irony upon all this is Clarence during his 7 year career often earned the nickname Hands of Wood for the amount of dropped passes in his career in the Backfield. In Superbowl X1 however the scene was different. The Raiders had got to their second consecutive Superbowl facing a Minnesota Vikings team that had lost 3 previously.

Unlike Superbowl 11 however the Raiders set the trend dominating on both Offense and Defense relying on Quarterback Stabler and their intimidating Running game to get things started. Indeed one of the singature plays was a 3rd & 7 from their 6. John Madden the League's youngest Coach called 17 Bob Trey O." This would have Clarence Davis going off left tackle behind a lead block by fullback Mark van Eeghen. Tight end Dave Casper would block down from his spot on the left side. Guards Gene Upshaw and George Buelher would pull behind the line to get in front of Clarence Davis as he turned up into the hole. When he did, he broke to the left side and sped for 35 yards one of the descive plays in a comprehensive 32-14 Oakland victory.

Davis finished the game with 137 yards on just 16 rush attempts, an average of 8.5 yards per carry and the 3rd highest Superbowl signle game rushing total. The Raiders were champions for the 1st time but certainly not the last.

marc 698 posts

He had a great game - probably the best of his career.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XII MVP Aaron Kyle CB Dallas Cowboys

The common theme in Superbowl 12 was Defense. From a Broncos perspective the infamous Orange crush which used a 3-4 formation was a main factor in their first Superbowl. Yet Dallas's defense during this period was just as good in fact a rarity during this game happenned., there was a split in MVP voting between DE Harvey Martin and DT Randy White The Cowboys Defense intercepted 4 passes and recovered 3 Fumbles in the first half alone. In fact because of an exquisite Secondary Denver only had 35 passing yards a Superbowl low.

Aaron Kyle may seem somewhat a dubious choice but his two turnovers were a crucial momentum swing in giving the Cowboys a well deserved title. On the Bronco's second drive of the game Morton was intercepted again when his pass was tipped by linebacker Bob Breunig into the arms of defesive back Aaron Kyle, who then returned the ball 19 yards to Denver's 35-yard line setting up a 33 yard Field Goal.So on a third and four from the Broncos 27, midway in the final period,

Denver, which had come out in its own spread during the final period, set up in that formation with Norris Weese, who had replaced an ineffective Craig Morton in the third period, but up deep. He attempted to run but Martin slammed him and ball popped loose. Cornerback Kyle recovered the last of Denver's four fumbles at the Bronco 30. Kyle's assertivness in the secondary and nose for turnovers was a key factor in deciding the big game for the Cowboys in a 27-10 romp and giving Tom Landry his second chamoionship.

It may not rank as the greatest Superbowl ever but it will be hard to rival a defense as memorable as the " Doomsday defense" The delicious irony of this was Kyle later joined the Denver Bronco's where he finished a respectable 6 year career

irishwarriors 163 posts

That was an extremely difficult choice actually. It seems all of the Cowboys defense deserved that award!

marc 698 posts

I think you chose Kyle because I think it's your first name.

irishwarriors 163 posts

That was partly a factor but i genuinely believe like I said his two turnovers were really momentum swingers in Superbowl 12

marc 698 posts

That's true. They were definitely turning points of their gridiron battle.

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Super Bowl X11 MVP: Lynn Swann Lynn Swann. Super Bowl MVP.

Three time Pro Bowler. One of football icon’s in the 1970’s. One of the most exciting players of his day. A high profile member of four Championship teams and a true football Dynasty in Pittsburgh. Fast. Fluid. Athletic. Graceful. Stylish .

In Superbowl 13 he was all these and more. Selected with the 21st pick of the 1974 NFL Draft which was considered one of the greatest drafts by an NFL team with Hall of Famers John Stallworth, Mike Webster, and Jack Lambert all selected in the same draft Swann first bust into the spotlight leading the NFL in Punt Return yards as a Rookie with 577 and the 4th most in NFL history.

His speed combined with a uncanny sense of anticipation soon made Head Coaches sit up and take notice. In his second season Swann caught 49 passes for 781 yards and a league-leading 11 touchdowns as the Steelers retained the Superbowl and started to become one of the League's key dynasty's in the 1970's. Three season later the steelers made it back to Superbowl XIII. In a game that featured the greatest collection of NFL talent ever to gather for a game. In additions to Coaches Noll and Landry, 14 players would go on to enshrinement in the Hall of Fame: 9 from Pittsburgh (Bradshaw, Harris, Swann, Stallworth, Webster, Greene, Lambert, Ham, and Blount), and 5 from Dallas (Staubach, Dorsett, White, Wright, and Jackie Smith)

Whilst much of the Pregame hype surronded Thomas Henderson and his media attack on Terry Bradshaw for proclaiming "Bradshaw couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'unlike Henderson's antics Swann let his game do the talking. His first big play was a 13 yard reception to move the ball to the Dallas 30 which the drive later ended with an Interception. Yet with the final drive of the half and the game tied at 14-14 Swann had instrumental catches of 29 and 21 yards, moving the ball to the 16-yard line with 40 seconds left. Pitstburh scored on a 10 yard Franco Harris run to go up 21-14 at the half.

Up to this point Lynn had 4 catches. The 3rd quarter will be rememebered for one significant play Jackie's smith drop on a perfectly run Slant which changed the complexion of the game. Swann came up with a 13 yard catch on the very next drive helped by a questionable PI call. It was Swan's involvement on the next Pitssburgh poccession thatgave another ring. With the score 28-17 following a Dallas turnover the famed Terry Bradshaw and co capitalized. Bradshaw heaved the ball into the endzone and as he did quite often during his 51 total Career Touchdowns and a Hall Of Fame career Swann made a beautiful majestic catch in the back of the Endzone to put the game beyond doubt .

Though the never say die attitude of Landry's Cowboys ensured two more TD's to make it 35-31 the Steelers held on for another Chuck Noll coaching triumph. Swann finished the game with with 7 receptions for 124 yards and a touchdown. His lone TD was the factor in finishing off the Cowboys and ensuring that when the NFL's greatest dynasty's are talked about Chuck Noll and the 1970's Pittsburgh Steelers are up there.

irishwarriors 163 posts

The entirity of superbowl 13 is all on Youtube I've just showed the 1st part. Of course it has 23 parts so you might want a lot of spare time!

marc 698 posts

He was definitely one of the best receivers of the game, if not all-time.

marc 698 posts

Wow! Thanks.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XIV MVP John Stallworth

John Stallworth is the Robert Horry, David Ortiz or Michael Jordan when clutchness is required. When a big play was needed or as in several occassions when a Touchdown was needed to put the game away Stallworth rose to the occassion and was known as a big game performer.

More so for his career his Superbowl actions shasll be remembered. In Super Bowl XIII, he caught a record-tying 75-yard touchdown pass from Terry Bradshaw that would later be a crucial touchdown in a 35-31 Steelers win over the Dallas Cowboys. He suffered leg cramps later and played sparingly in the second half, finishing with 3 receptions for 115 yards and 2 touchdowns being the crucial facctor in a Steelers win

During the 1979 season Stallworth compiled 70 receptions for 1,183 yards and 8 touchdowns decent stats for the main go to Receiver. In Superbowl X1V wildly regarded as a uneven matchup such was the wide disparity that existed between the two Conferences the then Los angeles Rams managed to take a surprising 19-17 lead early in the 4th quarter. It was then time for John to enter superbowl infamy.

Steelers' coach Chuck Noll called for "60-Prevent-Slot-Hook-And-Go," a play the Steelers failed in practice prior to the big game. With 12 minutes remaining, Bradshaw dropped back and threw it long to Stallworth, who caught it and beat Rod Perry to the end zone for a 73-yard touchdown that would pave the way for the Steelers' 31-19 win and their fourth world championship. That amazing catch put Stallworth on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Overall MR Stallworth holds the Superbowl record career average per catch (24.4 yards) and single-game average, 40.33 yards in Super Bowl XIV. His 73 yard catch is genuinely regarded as one of the most spectcaular plays ever and iced Chuck Noll and Pittsburgh's reputation as one of the greatest 1970 NFL dynasty's

Stallworth had 537 catches, 8,723 Receiving yards and 63 TD's in a illustrious career. In 1984 he was named the NFL Comeback player of the year leading the AFC with a career-high 1,395 yards gained on 80 receptions leading the Steelrs to the 184 AFC Championship game where they lost to the Miami Dolphins.

But despite other successful ventures most notably his business Stallworth's big game moments will be remembered just as well.

Part 1 of 16

marc 698 posts

Is he related to Donte Stallworth?

irishwarriors 163 posts

No the only thing they have in common is the last name

marc 698 posts

Oh, alright.

And, they fact that they are both wide-receivers is something in common.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XV MVP Rod Martin

Thrughout his distiguinished 11 year NFL career entirely spent with the LA/Oakland raiders Martin earned a rpeutation as a hard hitting Linebacker who had a nose for where the Quarterback and Football was suppossed to be. He was the protyppical player of the Al Davis mantra "Just Win Baby" a mantra that continues to exist in Oakland today.

In Superbowl 15 Martin and the Raiders prepared to face QB Ron Jaworski who had only thrown 12 picks during the regular season and the Philadelphia Eagles. Wilbert Montgomery also emerged as a main offensive threat rushing for 1,200 rushing yards in the last 2 seasons. Rod and the Raiders hard nosed defense knew they had work to do.

After two running plays top gain an Eagles first down Jaworski (Jaws) dropped back to pass on a Play action. Using his anticpation and agility Martin stepped in front and returned it 17 yards which set up the first Touchdown of the game

Later on and Oakland crusing 17-3 mainly because of Kenny King's incredible once in a lifetime catch just avoiding a pick of Herman Edwards and ran for a 80 TD their defense vstarted crusing against the bewildered Philadelphia Offense. Montgomery ran smackmouth into a waiting Rod and Ted Hendricks for a one yard loss as Oakland Raiders consistently repelled against the NFC Champions best efforts.

With the score a slightly loospsided 21-3 in Oaklands favour Martik kept displaying the same aggression that had earned him two Pro Bowl visits. With the Eagles driving and a 3rd & 3 Jaworski play faked and once again Martin put his hands up to pick the pass off and kill any hopes of an inspirational comeback.

Eventually with the game over Martin recorded a Superbowl record 3rd Inerception as the constant blitzing and 5 man up front caused all problems for Dick Vermeil and the Eagles as they had problems adjusting to a hungrier Defense.

Martin's 3 interceptions tied linebacker Chuck Howley's record for career Super Bowl interceptions and Defensive Back's Larry Brown as well. With this achievement the Raiders became the first wild card playoff team to win a Super Bowl

marc 698 posts

I wish that I could edit your post because you have a few little typos:
-Throughout (first word)
-reputation (first line)
-prototypical (first paragraph)
-anticipation (3rd paragraph)
-interception (6th paragraph)
-Martin (6th Paragraph

Otherwise, it's an excellent article. It think that you provided an excellent scoop on Rod Martin's greatest game. I almost forgot that there was a defensive-back named Larry Brown.

irishwarriors 163 posts

It sucks that you have a time limit for editing your posts. Kicking myself for the spelling errors but between other things going on here and the 11.30 PM time here I blame tiredness.

Cheers for the compliment. That was actually the easiest alternative superbowl MVP so far

marc 698 posts

Actually, you can use the 'More Actions' drop-down as a Moderator to edit your own posts.

Only, I cannot (ever) edit your posts.

marc 698 posts

Actually, the more that I think about it - The ability to edit posts is an advantage over the features available at The Sports Lounge.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Where's the edit button in the More actions Drop down button. The only two I see are mark Spam and delete

marc 698 posts

I'm not sure. Did you try accessing the 'Edit' function from the Drop-Down menu evident under your posts? You can only edit your own posts as I am only limited to editing my posts.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Still can't get it in the drop down menu or it doesn't exist. More then likely you have a time limit to edit your posts which is silly imo

marc 698 posts

I cannot edit or disable the time limit. It is a default feature via Lefora.

I'm sorry that you do not have access to the drop-down menu. I will try to get a hold of Lefora's Tech Team later tonight and see how we can fix that.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Anyway back on topic

Super Bowl XVI MVP Ray Wersching

When Superbowl XV1 rolled around it was a case of two Franchises making their first ever appearances in Super Bowls repepectively. The San Franisco 49ers had suffered years of agonizing playoff defeats inlcuding some heartbreakers to the Dallas Cowboys in the 1970's. So when the NFC Championship rolled around in 1981 and Dwight Clark made " The Catch" it was sweet revenge for a team that once again looked like conceding another Playoff failure.

The Cincinnati Bengals up to this point prior to the 1981 season had never won a Playoff game in their hisotry but a large part for their emergence as the AFC Champions was the spectacular play of Ken Anderson the top rated passer in the league and winning both the NFL Most Valuable Player Award and the NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award. He completed 300 out of 479 (62.6 percent) of his passes for 3,754 yards and 29 touchdowns, with only 10 interceptions.

In Super bowl 16 however an unexpected hero provided the difference in a close game. Ray Wersching the 49ers kicker and Austrian descent was one of the most solid 49ers Kickers ever and is the 12th player in NFL History to score 1,000 points plus his unique kicking style of he always looking down never raising his head until after the kick will always be remembered byt the most ardent Niners fan.

When Superbowl 16 rolled around Ray was clearly ready. The 49ers were clearly ready eearly on with Walsh's crisp West Coast Offense providing all sorts of difficulties against a tough minded Bengals Defense that hadn't given up 30 points or more in any of it's in any of their regular season or playoff games.

With the score 14-0 Wersching got himself into action by kicking a 26 yard field Goal. On the very next play Bill Walsh and the special Teams Co-Ordinator used every bit of coaching genius by rememebering Wersching's ability to effectively use the squib during their 1981 season opener when a leg injury kept him from fully powering into the football; ironically, that game took place in the Silverdome.

This ploy worked as the Kick was muffed by Bengals RB Archie griffin and the Niners took the ball at Cincy's 4. The next play after a False Start play ruined Montana's dream of a TD Wersching kicked a 26 yard FG as the 49ers went up 20-0 the largest halftime lead in Super Bowl history.

On a superbowl rememebered for the famous Goal Line stand with Dan Buzz, Jack Reynolds and Ronnie Lott making the all important tackles to keep the Bengals out of the endzone. Wersching capitilized on a drive that lasted 50-yard, 9-plays and took 4:41 off the clock by kicking a 40 yard Field Goal with 5 minutes left to put San Francisco up 23-14.

The 49ers then ran the ball on 5 consecutive plays, taking 3 minutes off the clock, to advance to the Cincinnati 6-yard line. Wersching then kicked his fourth field goal to increase the 49ers lead to 26–14 with less than 2 minutes left in the game. Wersching's 4 field goals tied a Super Bowl record set by Green Bay Packers kicker Don Chandler in Super Bowl II and were the difference in such a close game ( Cincinnatti scored more TD's then San Fran 3-2)

marc 698 posts

Note: -Edit to change "rememembered," "remembered," and "ploy," to "play."

That was such an exciting game!

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XVII MVP Joe Theissman We now know him as the former Monday Night football analyst controversially replaced by Ron Jaworksi as ESPN attempted to recover their product from flagging ratings.

Yet despite a Broadcasting career that has been labelled the Good bad and the ugly very few Football fans rememeber Joe in Superbowl 16. In the strike shortened 1982-1983 season where only 9 games were played and there was a radical change in the Playoff structure Theismann emerged as a revelation completing 161 out of 252 (63 percent) of his passes for 2,033 yards and 13 touchdowns, while also rushing for 150 yards.

His Backfield threat of John Riggins and lethal Receivers like Art Monk made sure the redskins advanced to their second Super bowl. Despite going behind 7-0 on the second play of the game Theismann and the Hogs got the Redskins started with a 27 yard pass to Ricky Waler a Tight End. Six plays later Joe found wide receiver Alvin Garett in the Endzone thanks to a nifty scramble for 12 yards which tied the game at 10-10. After a Super bowl record 98 yard return for the first Kick Off return in super Bowl history to put Miami up 17-10 at the half. Yet despite seemingly everything going against Washington such as the drive killing interceptions and the Hogs not quite having the dominating game they were used to Joe Gibbs somehow overcame the adversity thanks to John Riggins memorable 4th & 1 immaculate 43 yard run giving Washington a 20-17 lead with 5 minutes remaining.

A quick 3 and out later the skins used dominating Fullback John Riggins who used every bit of his body to punish those LB's to consume the clock. On 3rd down Theismann used his mobility to avoid the sack and deliver a key 3rd down strike to Brown. Two plays later Brown caught the game ending pass from Joe to put Washington up 27-17 and give Washington it's first World Championship in any sport.

Theismann, the first starting quarterback to win a Super Bowl while wearing a single digit number (7), finished 15 out of 23 for 143 yards and 2 touchdowns, with 2 interceptions. He also added 20 rushing yards on 3 carries. For a Quarterback that refused to use anything but a one-bar facemask throughout his career so as not to obstruct his vision Theismann deleivered a huge performance at the right time for the long suffering Redskins fans. Sadly Theismann had his career ended on a Monday Night Football game against Division rivals the New York Giants and Lawrence Taylor who had landed his hip on Theismann's lower right leg, fracturing both the tibia and the fibula. The extent of the injury meant Joe had to retire a true shame for the college Football Hall Of Famer

marc 698 posts

Great recap for a great player's greatest game.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Anyone other then Marc willing to contribute to this thread?

irishwarriors 163 posts

Anyhoo

Super Bowl XVIII MVP Cliff Branch

During his stellar career Branch was a surprisingly unoticed yet stellar Receiver woh often put big numbers yet because of Players such as Marcus allen or Jim Plunkett he often went unoticed. A speedy Reciever with ever reliable hands he holds the record for the NFL's postseason leader in yardage and Catches.

As Superbowl 18 dawned the Los Angeles Raiders could come in to the game brimming with confidence because of their ground threat Marcus Allen considered one pf the greatest Goaline backs in Football History. During that season Allen spectaulary delivered leading the team in rushing yards (1,014), and total yards from scrimmage (1,604), while also ranking second on the team in receptions (68) and touchdowns (11).

Surprisingly in the Pregame buildup Washington entered the game as slight favourites because of their offense, their number one rated defense against the run, their league best 14-2 regular season record, and their Super Bowl win from last season as well as the last game these two played it ended up in a 37-35 Redskins win.

During the first half Los Angeles made history by scoring on Offense, Defense and Special Teams becoming the only team to do so in the big game.

With the Raiders up 7-0 and both teams playing nervously as Mark Moseley missed Fg shows Cliff branch soon became an integral part of the Raiders offense. Jim Plunkett completed a 50 yard pass to MR Branch which moved the ball to the redskins 14. Two plays later, Plunkett threw a 12-yard touchdown pass to Branch, increasing the lead to 14-0. Cliff Branch became just the 4th player to catch a touchdown in two different Super Bowls.

Indeed the only remaining hisotrical note of this game such was the dominance by Los Angleles was the last play of the 3rd quarter. Marcus Allen who rushed for a Superbowl record 191 yards started to run left as the play was designed. But after taking an unusually wide turn in that direction, Allen then he saw a lot of defenders in front of him and cut back to the middle before taking off for a then-Super Bowl record 74-yard touchdown run ( Willie Parker had a 75 yard TD in Superbowl 40)

Branch was the top receiver of the game with 6 receptions for 94 yards and a touchdown. He may not have played the biggest part in the game as his counterpart Marcus Allen did but his crucial 3rd down and big catches helped spread the field for Plunkett and company. The 4 time Pro Bowler in a career of achievements had come up big on the Sports biggest stage.

marc 698 posts

I'm still advertising The Sports Sanctuary.

marc 698 posts

Any relation to later MVP of the SB, Deion Branch?

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XIX MVP Roger Craig

All the PreGame hype in Super Bowl 19 surronded the battle between two of the greatest QB's to ever play the game Joe Montana and Dan Marino. indeed it was the only Super Bowl where which the starting quarterbacks of each team both threw for over 300 yards.

Dan Marino entered the game with an immaculate season with the 3rd highest number of TD's thrown in a season 48 whilst holding the record for the most completions in a season (362) and became the first quarterback ever to throw for over 5,000 yards, reaching a total of 5,084. It was a once in a lifetime season but if there was to be a critiscm of the Don Shula Doplhins the lack of a decent Running Game and a edgy Defense which tied for the most Rushing yards allowed in the regular season.

In contrast the 49ers Defense could overshadow an equally just as explosive offense leading the league in fewest points allowed during the regular season and having four of their Defensive Backs selected for the Pro Bowl. All signs pointed to a gut wrenching close game despite the venues proximity to San Francisco. Yet the game was completely different to what the media and fans expected all because of Roger Goldfish Craig.

Craig's unique style of bulging his eyes out like a Goldfish when Running earned him some lore along the San Francisco fans. Yet there was no disputing his talent. The following season he rushed for 1,000 and a 1,000 yard Receving season. But it was this game where Craig has a most notable impact along Bay Area Football fans.

The Dolphins typically marched the ball down the field in Marino style using a No huddle Offense rather then get everyone settled down. To Don Shula's credit it worked as Marino found Dan Johnson in the endzone for a 10-7 1st quarter lead. Then Craign and Montana took over.

After scrambling for 19 yards to put the 49ers in Miami's redzone Montana threw an 8-yard touchdown pass to Roger Craig, giving the 49ers a 14-10 lead. Two poccessions later Craig finished the protypical West Coast Offense drive on a nine play, 52-yard drive which put th 49ers up 28-10 at the half. The 49ers' 288 offensive yards in the first half also tied the Raiders in Super Bowl XI for the most offensive yards in a half during a Super Bowl.

Starting their own 30-yard line after a 5-yard return by McLemore, Montana completed a 40-yard pass to Tyler, followed up with a 14-yard completion to Francis. Three plays later, Craig scored his third touchdown on a 16-yard reception to make the score 38-16 and kill the game ensuring the 49ers would have their second Super Bowl in the Montana/ Bill Walsh era.

Walsh's ingenious move to shift to six Defensive backs to combat Marino's extradionary arm as well as Roger's hardnosed 58 rushing yards, 77 receiving yards, and 3 touchdowns meant that for the 2nd time but certainly not the last the 49ers were Super bowl Champions

irishwarriors 163 posts

I know that I just assumed because other members her contribute to the football section here they might post their thoughs on whether they agree with me or not. It's all good thoughCool

 

Oh and there's no relation between Cliff and Deoin Branch. Slightly ironic

 

 

marc 698 posts

He was probably the best running-back ever in San Francisco.

As a Niners' fan, would you agree?

marc 698 posts

Sorry about that. I posted this thread into Digg hoping that would generate some new members.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Craig was defintely the best Running Back in San Francisco although Joe Perry and Tom Rathman are up there

marc 698 posts

Charlie Garner? Just kidding.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Superbowl XX MVP Jim McMahon

McMahon. The epitome of controversy. Indeed much of the pregame hype centered around the fact hje was in violation of the league's dress code, wearing a head band on which he had handwritten "Adidas". He then started to wear a head band saying "Rozelle", after then-league commissioner Pete Rozelle. None of these issues though compared to mooning a helicopter flying overhead and other photographers during practice to show off his injured rear end.

Despite the whirlwind of run ins with the law McMahoon still emrged as one of the NFC's top passers that year throwing for a relatively respectable 15 touchdowns and making sure that with all time great Running Back Walter Payton at least it wasn't a one dimensional Offense. He threw for 2,392 yards and 15 touchdowns, while also rushing for 252 yards and 3 touchdowns but it was Mike Ditka's 46 Zone defesne which earned the most attention and was a huge factor in allowing the Bears to go 15-1 and breeze their way to the Playoffs for a first trip to Superbowl 20.

Facing the New England Patriots considered a cinderalla team for making it that far the Patriots set out to shocck the 48.3 million people watching and took the 2nd quickest lead in Super Bowl history when Payton fumbled to set up a Field goal. Despite 15 out of the 19 teams who took the lead eventually won the big game the Bears overcome that stat and jumped out to a 13-3 lead.

On Chicago's next poccession Jim ran a simple 2 yard bootleg for a Touchdown to put da bears up 20-3 as the Patriots Defense ranked 5th in the league in fewest yards allowed struggled to come up with any ways of stopping Chicago's offense. Although to be fair a 23-3 lead should never have happenned with the crontroversy that with 21 seconds left in the first half, McMahon scrambled to the Patriots' three-yard line and was stopped in-bounds. With the clock ticking down, the Bears snapped the ball before the officials formally put it back into play, allowing McMahon to throw the ball out of bounds and stop the clock with three seconds left. The Bears were penalized five yards for delay of game, but according to NFL rules, ten seconds should have also been run off the clock during such a deliberate clock-stopping attempt in the final two minutes of a half; this would have left no time on the clock for the kick.

On the very first Chicago play of the second half Jim used all his agility with the ball on the bears 4 yard line and faked a handoff to Payton, then threw a 60-yard completion to Gault. Eight plays later, McMahon finished the Super Bowl record 96-yard drive with a 1-yard touchdown run to make the Bears lead 30-3. A few plays later, McMahon's 27-yard completion to receiver Dennis Gentry moved the ball to the 1-yard line which set William "the Refrigerator" Perry. Indeed one of the regrets in Mike Ditkas's illustrated coaching career is he didn't use Walter Payton in that situation or indeed for McMahon's Touchdown runs. Payton finished the game with a relatively quiet 61 yards on 22 carries, with his longest run being only 7 yards

Chicago eventually won out with a loopsided 46-10 win McMahon being one of the main difference makers in that gamecompleting 12 out of 20 passes for 256 yards, becoming the first quarterback in a Super Bowl to score 2 rushing touchdowns. For a Quartberback emobroilled with all sorts of of topical issues in Suer Bowl week it seems the game was a happy return after all.

marc 698 posts

I never cared for him, but he was a decent QB and had a good game here.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXI MVP Lawrence Taylor

L.T. The greatest Defensive Player in the History of the game with members of the media, former players, and coaches giving him this accolade. Throughout the 1980s and early 1990s, Taylor was a disruptive force at outside linebacker, and is widely considered to have changed the pass rushing schemes, offensive line play, and offensive formations used in the NFL.

Despite a controversial lifestyle such as frequent drug use the majority of GM's during his final North Carolina days including the New York Giants very own George Young who claimed he would be better then Dick Butkus.

"Taylor is the best college linebacker I've ever seen. Sure, I saw Dick Butkus play. There's no doubt in my mind about Taylor. He's bigger and stronger than Butkus was. On the blitz, he's devastating."

In between 1981 LT's rookie year and his first Superbowl appearance needless to say he lived up to George Young's hype with 5 Pro Bowl selections, 1 Defensive Rookie of the Year award and 1 NFL MVP. In 1986 LT had his most spectacular season recording a league-leading 20.5 sacks and became one of just two defensive players to win the NFL Most Valuable Player award (Alan Page was the other) and the only defensive player to be the unanimous selection for MVP. In addition, Taylor won the Defensive Player of the Year Award.

In Superbowl 21 the Big Blue Moon faced John Elway and the Broncos who had overcome adversity the week before with the infamous drive in Clevland. Elway had thrown for 3,480 yards and 19 touchdowns despite having a weak Receving corp but indeed much of the pregame hype centered on how Taylor would be able to hurry Elway's throws or sack him.

Despite the G-Men enduring a 10-9 deficit at the half and a relatively slow start to Superbowl 21 L.T still made a game changing play tackling John Elway as he sprinted out on a rollout, a play which prevented a touchdown and a massive surge of momentum in Denver's favour. Indeed in the second half urged on by Phil Simms having the game of his life and the Big Blue Moon dominating the Denver lime of scrimmage the New York Football Giants were having a field day. For the stat keepers the second half was most notable for the 100th TD in Super Bowl history with Elway's 47-yard touchdown pass to Vance Johnson.

Had it not been for LT's big play tackling Elway as he was galloping towards the Endone Super Bowl XXI could have very have bene different. Indeed this game looked the start of a Superstar career for L.T but unfortunately the Giants fell to 6-9 in the strike shortened season and for a few seasons the mystique was gone.

marc 698 posts

The great LT! Is that blood on his pants?

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXII MVP Timmy Smith

Of all the Super Bowl alternative MVP'S in this particular thread the one thing that stands out about all of them is a Hall Of Fame or underrated tagg. With Timmy Smith however that was not the case. Playing for only 3 years in the National Football League and having a career plagued by injuries Smith will be remembered for his extradionary Superbowl appearance more then anything especially considerinng it was in his Rookie Season.

Smith was actually lucky to be starting as Running Back considering he was a backup for most of the season to George Rodgers. As hard as it was to believe with the benfit of hindsight all the experts perdicted an easy Denver victory considering the wealth of experience offered. ecause most experts thought Elway was by far a superior quarterback to Williams. Elway had won the NFL Most Valuable Player Award and was selected to start for the AFC in the Pro Bowl, while Williams had played just 5 regular season games. Williams was the first African-American quarterback ever to start in a Super Bowl.

When the 1st quarter ended and Denver exhibiting their dominance once Doug williams returned something seemed to click in Washington's favour. After a 80 yard pass from Doug Williams to Ricky Sanders to cut the deficit to 3. Then Gary Clark on the Skins next drive made a Hollywodd like diving catch in the endzone to give washington a 14-10. It was now time for Timmy Smith to get started.

On Washington's very next poccession Smith who didn't touch the ball up to that point and was making his first NFL start took off Barry Sanders style for a 58 yard Touchdown run. With Elway going3 & out and Washingtons last drive before the Half Smith used his quickness and ability to see through the holes of the linebloccking and burst through the holes of the Offensive Line for a 43 yard gain which set up another Skins TD. In just over 15 minutes Washington outscored Denver 35-0. They scored on 5 consective poccessions inspired by the Hollyowood esque of Doug Williams.

The Second quarter was all about coasting towards the inevitable. Smith who had rushed for 5 carries, 122 yards and a TD never coasted and displayed relentless when he ran the Ball. Eventually wounding up with 22 204 yards on 22 carries he added a 4 yard Touchdown in the 4th quarter just for good measure along with an average gain of 9 yards.

Unfortunately after this super Bowl it was nevr a case of on to bigger and better things with Timmy. With his injury plagued career coming to a close in Dallas Smith took the wrong career path electing to join the crime world where it backfired after being arrested for allegedly trying to sell cocaine to an undercover police officer in Denver in 2005. Released from prison just two months ago it would be a shame if one act of stupidity would overshadow one incredible performance.

On a Super Bowl more so rememebered for Doug Williams rise to fame from being back up in the USFL to Super Bowl Champion only the diehard will rememeber such a one game performance and how big it was in delivering washington it's second World championship. It just goes to show Just goes to show you, one huge, even record setting game in the Super Bowl, does not promise or guarantee future success.

Amazingly, Smith only managed 126 yards during the entire 1987 season and would play just 15 more games in the NFL after his record setting performance.

marc 698 posts

Do you think he would have made the Hall of Fame if he had not been injured?

irishwarriors 163 posts

His Career Statistics would show that wasn't possible. Shame the URL tag button doesn't work here

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTi00.htm

marc 698 posts

What do you mean by that URL tag?

marc 698 posts

You're right. His statistics are nothing to write home about, but I would expect to see some development over the years.

irishwarriors 163 posts

I meant Hyperlink where you insert the URL tags between each Web address.

It was something the Sports lounge had when I linked to my game reports for the Warriors

marc 698 posts
Oh, BBCodes and that type of stuff.

I'll look into it and get back to you on it.
marc 698 posts

Check out http://thesportssanctuary.lefora.com/2008/05/19/how-link-websites-effectively-the-sports-sanctuary/

BBCodes, those URL Tags, are not yet supported by Lefora.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXIII MVP Joe Montana

Joe Cool. The quarterback who never lost his poise even when competing with Steve Young for a starting job during the late 80's. Throughout his career Montana relied on that same poise during his 31 game winning drives to make San Francisco the main dynasty of the 1980's. It started with the Catch and in 1988 Montana was playing at the highest level of his career 2,981 yards and 18 touchdowns, and also added 132 rushing yards.

Despite the Bengals superior regular season record and Esiason's MVP award, the 49ers were heavily favored to win the Super Bowl, mainly because of Montana. Montana had already led the 49ers to 2 previous Super Bowls and both times left with a championship ring and Super Bowl MVP honors.

While Montana had problems during the regular season, he appeared to be playing his best in the postseason, throwing for 466 yards and 5 touchdowns in his 2 playoff games, with only 1 interception.

In Super Bowl 23 despite the notable injury to 49ers tackle Steve Wallacewho was taken off the field with a broken ankle Montana got the offense rolling with a 41 yard field Goal from Mike Cofer. On the Niners next drive Montana saw the Bengals went one on one Coverage realised sam Wyche made a mistake and delivered a pictire perfect to Jerry Rice for a 32 yard gain. Despite the big gain Randy Cross was unable to deliver a perfect snap to Cofer and as a result the Niners had the unwanted record for shortest missed FG in Super Bowl History.

With 1.15 remaining in the 1st half Jim Beech kicked a 34 yard Field Goal tying the score at the half. The two teams went into their locker rooms tied 3 – 3, the first halftime tie in Super Bowl history, and the lowest halftime score since the Pittsburgh Steelers took a 2 – 0 halftime lead over the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl IX.

On their opening possession in the second half, the Bengals managed to get a sustained drive going, moving the ball 61 yards in 12 plays and taking 9:15 off the clock. Esiason, who completed only 4 of 12 passes for 48 yards in the first half, completed 3 of 4 passes for 54 yards on the drive, including a 20-yard completion to James Brooks and 23-yard and 11-yard completions to Cris Collinsworth, setting up a 43-yard field goal from Breech to give the Bengals their first lead of the game, 6-3. Cincinnati then forced San Francisco to punt, but on the first play of their next drive, 49ers rookie linebacker Bill Romanowski intercepted a pass from Esiason at the Bengals' 23-yard line. However, after a dropped pass by Jerry Rice, the 49ers offense could not get a first down, and they had to settle for Cofer's 32-yard field goal to tie the game.

With 1.00 minute remaining in the 3rd quarter and neither team looking remotely capable of reaching the endzone Stanford Jennings changed the complexion of the game by returning ball 93 yards for a touchdown to give the Bengals a 13 – 6 lead. Jennings would be the second player to return a kickoff for a touchdown in Super Bowl history.

Despite the circumstances being unfavourable to San Francisco an 85-yard, 4-play drive was just the tonic Bill Walsh needed. Rice using his speed as well as his extremely talented Route running turned a potential 6 yard gain into a 31, Roger craig using his downfield vision caught a pass for 40 yards and two plays later rice caught a 14 yard TD. All the attributes that made the Niners so successfuk throughout the Montana and Young years worked on this drive.

Following a missed FG by Cofer the Bengals put together a10-play, 46-yard drive, featuring a 17-yard reception by backup receiver Ira Hillary on third down and 13, along with 21 yards on three carries from Ickey Woods and a 12-yard play-action sideline pass to James Brooks with Jim Beech making a 40 yarder. Cincinnati took a 16-13 lead and the situation looked even better with an illegal block Penalty pushing the ball back to the 49ers 8.

Often a game winning drive is fraught with tension from everyone in the huddle but Montana had been involved in way too many to even think about feeling the pressure from everyone in the stadium and the millions watching Stateside and around the world. To ease the tension Montana pointed into the Stadium Crowd and said " Hey isn't that John Candy". It was the defintion of what Montana was about and this drive illustrated the Joe cool nickname he had earned from Chris Berman at it's finest.

Assuming that the Bengals would expect him to throw the ball near the sidelines (to enable the receivers to step out of bounds to immediately stop the clock), Montana first threw a pair of completions in the middle of the field, one to Craig and one to tight end John Frank. His next pass went 7 yards to Rice, which was then followed up by a pair of runs by Craig to reach their own 35-yard line. Montana then completed a 17-yard pass to Rice to advance the team to the Bengals 48-yard line, and followed it up with a 13-yard completion to Craig to move them to the 35-yard line.

Hyperventilating in the huddle Montana threw an incomplete pass and then horror struck. Randy Cross committed a rare illegal man downfield penalty which moved the ball back to the 45-yard line and bringing up second down and 20 to go with just 1:15 left in the game. But Montana overcame the situation on the next play with a 27-yard completion to Rice, who caught the ball at the 33, evaded 3 Bengal defenders, and ran to the 18-yard line before Horton managed to tackle him to prevent a touchdown. An 8-yard pass to Craig then advanced San Francisco to the 10-yard line. Then with 39 seconds left in the game, Montana finished the drive with a 10-yard touchdown pass to Taylor, giving the 49ers the lead for good. Finally, San Francisco's defense sealed the victory after Esiason's pass to Collinsworth was broken up as time expired.

Although Rice had the greatest game by a Wide Reciver in a Super bowl Montana completed 23 of 36 passes for a Super Bowl record 357 yards, throwing for 2 touchdowns, and gaining 14 rushing yards. Had it not been for his calm in the huddle when the odds looked against him as well as several key passes most notably the completion to Rice which almost ended in a winning touchdown the Bengals would have recorded a huge upset. As it was though the next year following Bill Walsh's departure Montana laid the foundations for a certain other QB to take over.

marc 698 posts

He's a legend.

marc 698 posts

IrishWarriors, do you think Joe Montana was better than Steve Young?

irishwarriors 163 posts

I'll answer that question tommorow but my short answer is no

marc 698 posts

You have a future blog post coming out concerning that matter?

irishwarriors 163 posts

Probably and I'll post something here regarding that issue as well.

It's always been a big topic of discussion along Niner fans!

marc 698 posts

I would do the same thing.

I know it is - that's why I asked you.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Intro

In the 83 year history of the National Football League, only 2 quarterbacks have led the league in passing a record six times. The first to do it was Sammy Baugh (Washington Redskins) in the 1930s and ‘40s, when there were 8 teams in the league. Baugh is remembered as the most dominant passer of the early era of football, and as such he is considered by many to be the greatest quarterback of that era of football. The second quarterback to achieve this amazing feat was Steve Young (San Francisco 49ers) in the 1990s, when there were 30 teams in the league. Young holds the Highest Passer Rating in a Season, the record for most consecutive seasons leading the league in passing (4), and has the most seasons leading the league in passing with a rating of 100+. And as such, Young should be regarded as the greatest quarterback in the modern era of football.

Unfortunately, however, Young’s career is often overshadowed by another great quarterback who preceded him as the QB for the San Francisco 49ers. Joe Montana. It is Joe Montana who many regard as the greatest quarterback in the modern era of football. This of course, is mainly due to the fact that Joe Montana led the San Francisco 49ers to 4 SuperBowl Championships, whereas Young led them to 1.

An in depth analysis of these two players careers, however, reveals that it is Young who deserves to be recognized as the greatest quarterback in NFL history. This is based on the fact that Young’s career achievements in passing eclipses those of Montana, and based on the fact that Young was able to achieve them on teams that didn’t measure up to the powerhouse teams that Montana played with for the majority of his career. In other words, Steve Young is a better quarterback than Joe Montana, because he carried his teams on his shoulders more than Montana ever had to.

Steve Young

In 2000, Young retired as the foremost running quarterback and most efficient passer in NFL history. He was also the most fascinating to watch, for he redefined the position, before chronic concussions ended his career. Steve Young ended his playing career as the most accurate passer in NFL history with a passer rating of 96.8 (Montana, now ranked third, retired with a rating of 92.3), an NFL record completion percentage of 64.3 (Young also set the NCAA season mark for completion percentage with 71.3, and holds the 49ers' team record with 70.2 ), an NFL record touchdown to interception ratio of 2.17 (Montana = 1.96), established the NFL record for most consecutive 300 yard passing games with 6, has the most seasons leading the league in touchdown passes with 4, and has the highest average gain per pass attempt since 1960. That last achievement is significant because Young played in the West Coast Offense that emphasized short and medium-range passes. Needless to say Young should be recognized as one of the game’s greatest passers, if not the greatest.

It’s even more impressive that Young still has these overwhelming records, considering that he started out his career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (who were the worst team in the 1980's), and he missed out on playing in the prime of his career by waiting behind Montana.

But it’s not just Young’s domination as a passer for which he should be noted as the greatest quarterback. While Young did retire as the NFL’s most efficient passer, his passing records don’t take into account his speed, and mobility. Undoubtedly, it will be Young's uncanny speed that will be remembered first. There have been a lot of quarterbacks who could run and throw, but none had speed that could get them into the secondary and then outrun everybody. Steve could do that. With 4.5 speed (in the 40-yard dash), he was as fast as a running back or a defensive back. Young also owns NFL records for his mobility, holding the NFL record for most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (85), and the 2nd most rushing yards by a quarterback (4,182 yards). Steve Young is still the only QB to pass for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in the same game, in pro football history. So, it’s safe to say that Bill Walsh correctly assessed Steve Young as the greatest athlete to play quarterback.

Then there are the other intangibles of his greatness that stats can’t represent. Steve should be remembered as, perhaps, the smartest QB to play the game. After all, there aren’t to many quarterbacks who played football while they had a law degree, or who were part of a calculus club in high school. Young should be remembered for his superior toughness, grit, heart, leadership, and never say die attitude. When Young replaced the 4 time world champion Montana as the QB for the San Francisco 49ers, he never succumbed to enormous pressure that fans, and the media crushed him with. Young never lashed out at them for the constant scrutinizing and unfavorable comparison to Montana. Steve’s competitiveness never allowed him to quit. His tough style of play that consisted of him constantly playing hurt, his charisma, and his leadership would eventually win him the support of fans, the media, and his teammates. This is evident in Young’s 2 Time NFL League MVP Awards, and his 2 Time reception of the Len Eshmont Award. The latter award granted only by team members to the 49er who best exemplifies the teams most inspirational and courageous player.

The (In)Significance of SuperBowl Victories As A Gauge For Individual Greatness

Young out-did Montana in all the significant individual categories. Those touting Montana as the greatest quarterback will then immediately point towards Montana’s 4 SuperBowl victories. But football is a team game, and Championships are won by great teams, not individuals. Terry Bradshaw has 4 SuperBowl rings primarily because he played on a team with a great defense. The 49ers in Montana's era also had great defenses, and thus he has 4 SuperBowl rings as well. So does the fact that Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana were apart of 4 Championship teams, make them the greatest QBs to play the game? No. Although the ability to win a championship is indeed a useful gauge, basing greatness solely on the number of team championships is an illogical indicator for individual greatness. For instance, lackluster quarterbacks such as Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon all have SuperBowl victories, while NFL greats Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly have 0. You’d have a hard time finding anybody who would evaluate Trent Dilfer as a better QB than Dan Marino. Unfortunately, Young only once played on a team that can be compared to the powerhouse teams Montana had, and he set records in that SuperBowl season.

A Comparison of Montana’s 49ers vs. Young’s 49ers

1) Salary Cap, Free Agency, & Management

Not long before Joe Montana became the quarterback for the 49ers, the team was bought by Eddie Debartolo, who was committed to building a winning team. Montana had the luxury of playing his entire 49er career in an era with no salary cap, and limited free agency. It’s hard to imagine Montana having 4 Championships had he played the majority of his career with the salary cap in place. It was a big plus to have an owner with deep pockets to surround Joe with great talent that stayed together year after year, thus gelling together and becoming a more effective unit. Steve Young won his SuperBowl in 1994, when the league was imposing the salary cap. For the majority of Young's tenure at quarterback, the 49ers would have a more diverse team each year.

Montana’s teams were built by Bill Walsh, a keen evaluator of talent (after all it was Walsh who traded for Steve Young to replace Joe Montana). In contrast, Young’s teams were primarily built by 49er President Carmen Policy. Policy was able to build a championship caliber team in ’94, but the salary cap and free agency quickly dismantled that team. In attempts to rebuild an effective team Policy left the 49ers in salary cap hell, and made costly mistakes in NFL Drafts, and Free Agent signings that actually hindered the teams progress (ala Jim Druckenmiller, Antonio Langham, Gabe Wilkins, Jaime Brown, Amp Lee, etc. etc. etc.). Policy was quite ineffective in picking up the slack, and rebuilding the team as veterans got old or left via free agency. Ultimately, Policy bailed on the team, and went to Cleveland leaving behind a real mess.

2) Introduction of the West Coast Offense

Perhaps the greatest advantage Montana had as an NFL quarterback, was the fact that he was the first to play using the revolutionary West Coast Offense, before NFL defenses had adjusted to it. Likewise, it was also an advantage for his defenses to not have to play against the WCO. Young played in an era where defensive philosophies evolved to better handle the West Coast Offense. So, Montana was passing to his receivers against defenses designed to handle the running-play offenses that were widespread when he joined the 49ers, Young is being judged as a passer against teams that had improved pass defenses (ala the Dallas Cowboys, and Green Bay Packers in the post-season…whom Young would still eventually both defeat).

3) Coaching

Montana played the majority of his NFL career under Bill Walsh, the Hall of Famer who invented the West Coast Offense and who changed the game of football by instituting the revolutionary intricate short-pass system. Montana did win one SuperBowl without Walsh as the head coach, however this immediately followed the team’s SuperBowl victory the year prior, and the team still had Walsh’s groundwork in place. On the other hand, Young's NFL coaches have been George Seifert and Steve Mariucci, who, though were proficient, are obviously less qualified than the innovative Walsh.

4) Defenses

There’s an old adage in the NFL that “defense wins championships”. Not surprisingly all of Montana’s SuperBowl teams had a defense that was ranked in the top 5 in total defense. The 1981 team’s defense was ranked 2nd in total defense, the ’84 team 1st, the ’88 team 5th, and the ’89 team ranked 2nd. Joe Montana never led the 49ers to the playoffs with a team that wasn’t ranked in the top 10 for the NFL. On the other hand, Young led the 49ers to the NFC Championship in 1993 with a 16th ranked defense, the NFC Divisional Playoff in ’98 with a 13th ranked defense, and won his SuperBowl with a 6th ranked defense.

The 49ers defense in 1994 was arguably the best Steve had in his career. Interestingly enough, all the additions made to create the Championship ’94 49ers were on defense (i.e. Deion Sanders, Bryant Young, & Ken Norton Jr), as there was not a problem with the offense led by Young. Whereas all of Montana’s defenses were dominant, and consisted of players such as Hall of Famer DB Ronnie Lott leading an imposing defense.

Ultimately, the difference between Joe Montana’s NFC Championship win over the Cowboys in ’81, and Steve Young’s loss to the Cowboys in ’92 & ‘93, was the defense. Joe Montana had 4 turnovers against the Cowboys in ’81, Young had a complete total of 3 in all his post-season games against the Cowboys. Fortunately for Montana, his defense was ranked 2nd overall in 1981, and was able to minimize any damage his turnovers could have caused. Unfortunately for Young, his defense against the Cowboys in ’93 was ranked 16th. Montana was also fortunate that his defense provided a game winning tackle in the ’81 NFC Championship for him, and provided a goal line game winning stance in the ’81 SuperBowl that allowed him a victory.

5) Running Backs

Joe Montana was privileged to have the more dominant running games for the majority of his career as well. Montana’s teams consisted of more RBs having 1,000 yard rushing seasons (4), than Young (3). Not coincidentally enough, 3 out of Montana’s 4 SuperBowls were the teams that had 1,000 yard rushers. Young’s SuperBowl in ’94 did not have a 1,000 yard rushing RB for the season, and interestingly enough Young was the team’s leading rusher in SuperBowl 29. Young was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in just about every year he didn't have a running threat like Montana had.

Steve Young had Ricky Watters for 2 seasons as a starting Runningback, and Garrison Hearst for 2 as well (who got injured in the post-season both years!). Montana had Roger Craig in the backfield for 8 years, and 3 of his 4 SBs. Steve Young made the 49ers playoff contenders when sub-par RBs Derek Loville and Amp Lee were feature backs. Montana’s ’81 team was the only one not to have a 1,000 yard rushing RB. However the RBs were obviously effective that year, as the team ran 560 times and passed 517. Not just that, in the SuperBowl that year the Bengals had almost twice as many passing yards as Montana, but the Niners had almost twice as many rushing yards as the Bengals.

Regrettably for Young, the majority of his career did not include the running threats Montana had. In fact, while losing two of their playoff games in ’95 and ’96, the 49ers averaged just 91 yards rushing in the post season. And most of those yards were on scrambles by Young, who had the team's two longest rushes, and led the team in rushing in the ’95 playoff game! On planned runs, the 49ers' running backs averaged 42.7 yards a game and 2.6 yards a carry. So, Young lacked a running game that slowed down the pass rush, allowed the offense to control the ball, keep the defense off the field, or allow his linemen to block aggressively (rather than passively as in pass protection). With the departure of Watters after '94, the Niners gave up on the run, and thus became easier to defend. It's probably not a coincidence that Young suffered a lot of injuries during that time, when the 49ers relied almost exclusively on passing.

6) Offensive Lines

Then there’s the offensive line. Joe Montana had one of the great O-lines in his time, Young often had to deal with a line so patchwork that very rarely did the same 5 guys ever start 2 weeks in a row. Montana’s protection from his line was greater, because of the relief provided by his efficient running game. This in addition to the fact that Joe’s non-salary cap era of football provided his offensive lines to be retained, and “gel” together more dominantly. You’ll find that more of Joe Montana’s Offensive Lineman will be inducted into the Hall of Fame, than Young’s.

7) Receivers

Finally, perhaps the one area where Young’s teams slightly outedge Montana’s is with the position of WideReceiver. Both played with Jerry Rice (Montana winning 2 SBs without Rice, and Young taking the Niners to the NFC Championship without Rice in ’97), and both played with John Taylor. Montana’s initial go-to receiver was Dwight Clark, a pro-bowl WR who, in the pre-Jerry Rice era had the majority of the 49er receiving records. Of course, Clark is mostly remembered for his game winning fingertip catch of Montana’s sailing pass in the ’81 NFC Championship. Steve Young ended his career playing with an up and coming WR, Terrell Owens. Owens is mostly remembered for his catch from Steve Young, who threw a pinpoint game winning TD pass to Owens, between 3 defenders, in the endzone during the final 3 seconds of the NFC ’98 Wildcard Playoff Match against the Packers. However, this play is often referred to as the “Redemption Reception” as Owens dropped and fumbled costly catches earlier in the game.

“The Montana Mystique”

At last, those who still wish to advocate Montana as the superior QB, in spite of the afore mentioned analyses, are quick to praise Montana’s “big game ability”, and his calmness in come-from behind victories. Montana was definitely a calmed QB on the field, but so was Young after a couple of years in the WCO. Both were recipients of the Len Eshmont award, however only one dealt with the pressure of replacing a Hall Of Fame Quarterback, while dealing with initially unaccepting fans, and harsh media comparisons… and even harsh criticism from Montana himself. Young was always cool with his detractors, never lashing out at them. Unlike Montana to Young, Young always spoke kindly of Montana.

A lot of people tend to forget Montana’s afore mentioned less than stellar performance in the ’81 Championship, where he was responsible for 4 turnovers. But, even more people tend to forget that Joe lost in the FIRST-ROUND of the playoffs in 1985, 1986, and 1987. The 49ers lost their opening playoff games in 1985 and 1986 to the New York Giants by 17-3 and 49-3 scores. Montana was held without a touchdown in back-to-back playoff games. And in the 1987 first-round home playoff loss to the Minnesota Vikings, the 49ers trailed 20-3 at halftime after a rookie named Reggie Rutland returned a 48-yard interception for a touchdown. Montana was then yanked in the second half for Steve Young. Young led the Niners to 21 point scoring drives, however the Niners still lost by a score of 36-24. But the outcome probably would have been different had Young started the game. So some questions remain: If Montana is really the best quarterback, why would Walsh pull him in the middle of a Playoff game? And doesn’t it speak volumes that Young came in and performed much better than Montana in the biggest game of the season, especially with the 49ers trailing?

Closing

Had Steve Young not sat behind the established Montana for 4 years, he would probably have just as many Championships, if not more, than Joe. Ironically, if not for Young, Montana would have at least one less ring. In a pivotal game for the 49ers in 1988 against the Vikings, Young would provide what would be voted as the greatest run in the history of the NFL. The 49ers trailed by 4 points, with 2 minutes left, and on a play where Young’s O-line crashed around him, he made for a mad dash that would take him 50 yards, through 11 Viking defenders, and stumbling into the endzone for the game winning TD. Without that win, the Niners would not have clenched their division, and would not have made the playoffs that year…and Montana would not have won the SuperBowl. But alas, Young accomplished tremendous feats on teams that didn’t measure up to Montana’s, with the exception of the ’94 team in which Young led the Niners to the SuperBowl, and was the game’s MVP for his record 6 TD passes, and team leader in rushing.

In conclusion, while both Young and Montana were spectacular quarterbacks, it was Young who carried the Niners far beyond what they were really capable of. He extended the aura of the dynasty, with teams that never really measured up to Montana’s. When Joe Montana left the Niners in 1993, Young kept the wins coming, and kept the dynasty alive. However, when Young got hurt in ’99, the weakness of the team that he was carrying was exposed, and ultimately the Niners dynasty would take a hiatus for a few years. Bill Walsh had made a prophetic statement before the ’99 season began, in that the fortunes of the team rested on Steve Young's shoulders, because Young was capable of winning games on individual brilliance for a team that was no longer anything like the great champions of the past. After going 12-4 with Young at the helm in ’98, the Niners went 4-12 in ’99 when Young exited the season after game 3 (Young was responsible for 50% of the wins that season, and he only played in 3 games!!!!)

Many men are great athletes; relatively few athletes are great men. Young was the most lethal player to play the position at quarterback, and was a great success in the NFL because he survived the pressure of following a great QB. The fact that he excelled at it, winning a SuperBowl, receiving two League MVPs, and establishing several NFL records, makes him the all time best quarterback to have played the game. The fact that he did so with class makes him one of the best all-time athletes in any sport.

marc 698 posts

Whew - That's as large as the Communist Manifesto.

irishwarriors 163 posts

LOL I'll be honest and say I didn't type all of that out I got it from this site but it illustrates all the points as to why I believe Young is a better QB then Montana.

http://www.superfans.net/public/nflboards/afcwest/index.cgi?frames=n;read=173750

marc 698 posts

Oh - I thought you were sitting at your computer screen for endless hours pounding away at the keyboard.

But, it definitely highlights the heights of his career. Personally, I'm a Young fan.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXIV MVP Jerry Rice

Rice a workaholic. Never resting on his laurels satisfied that he had broken all Receving records and was arguably the best Receiver to play the game Rice still mantained a legendary work ethic and dedication to the sport playing 20+ years in the National Football League and still mantaining his level of performance. To get an idea of how massive his 22,895 receiving yards are, if Rice had not gained any other yards on rush attempts or kick returns, his 22,895 receiving yards would still rank him second place on the NFL's list all-purpose yard leaders (category based on combination of rushing, receiving, kick/punt return yards, and interception/fumble return yards).

Less known though is hid path to the NFL and what College he went too. In 1984 Bill Walsh using his eye for talent spotted Rice during his College Days for Mississippi Valley State where by concidence Rice had his best season catching 17 passes for 199 yards against Southern, 17 for 294 against Kentucky State and 15 for 285 against Jackson State, the first time MVSU beat them since 1954. Those stats combined with his work ethic displayed at the combine meant Walsh traded its first two picks for New England's first-round choice, the 16th selection overall (the teams also swapped third-round picks as part of the deal), and selected Rice. As they say the rest was history.

After another oustanding season where Rice caught 82 passes for 1,483 yards and 17 touchdowns the Niners prepared to face a Broncos team that were severe underdogs. Even with George seifert replacing Bill Walsh the Niners didn't miss a beat particluary the Defense which ranked third in the NFL in fewest points allowed (253. Add to the fact Elway had lost two Super Bowls and Montana had won 3 and the experts believed it would be a 49ers rout. They were correct.

On their opening drive Montana and company looked like they had read the script and it took 10 plays 66 yards for Jerry Rice to grab a 20 yard pass from Montana. Even when Denver forced the Niners to go 3 & out and get the ball at their 49 yard line the compellingness for the neutral fans was quickly lost when Denver Running Back Humphreys fumbled and a aggressive determined Chret books recovered the loose ball.

From then on the Niners showed off their dominance and quickly TV Sets around America were switched off as the 39.1 million rating (lowest since Super Bowl 111) showed. Brent Jones, Tom Rathman and then Jerry rice all got TD's as it became a 27-3 rout at the half. Rice was punnishing a mediocre Denver secondary.

Indeed on the very next drive for the 49ers Rice for the upteenth time ran a post route against Defensive Back Dennis smith and caught a 28 yard pass from Montana. It was 34-3 and those who switched on in the hope of Elway heroics as seen in Cleveland during the Drive were left in awe at a Niners offense that executed flawlessy and had little room for era as seen by the 55-10 scoreline.

Rice finished the game with 7 receptions for 148 yards and a Super Bowl record 3 receiving touchdowns. But throughout his illustrious career and a reputation as the G.O.A.T. Aside from an overall talent and will that put him in a class by himself, Rice will always be remembered for his supreme work ethic and dedication to the game. In his 20 NFL seasons, Rice missed only 17 regular season games, with 14 of them occurring in a single year (the 1997 season when he tore his knee ligaments), and the other 3 occurring in the strike shortened season of 1987. His 303 games are by far the most ever played by an NFL wide receiver, and are only 72 games behind the NFL record for games played by a player at any position.

marc 698 posts

Absolutely. He's my favorite receiver of all-time.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXV MVP Thurman Thomas

Along with Superbowl XXXVI this will go down as one of the more patriotic games because of the Gufl war at the time. Extra security measures were put in place at Tampa Stadium, including the positioning of FBI sharpshooters at the upper levels of the stadium, Whitney Houston sang the Star Spangled Banner anthem with greeat endeavour and for the first time each player wore Super Bowl logos on their jerseys.

For the Giants though patriotism was the last thing on their minds as then Defensive Co-Ordinator Bill Belicheck was the one responsible with coming with a big gameplan to stop the Bills no Huddle offense and Jim Kelly the Quarterback who was the highest rated AFC passer throwing for 2,829 yards, 24 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions. The Bills had a realtively smooth route to the super bowl defeating the Dolphins and walloping the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Championship game whilst the Giants had to rely on Roger craigs fumble in the NFC Championship game as Matt bahr kicked his 5th FG as time expired to end the 49ers dream of a 3 peat.

As the game approached Thurman Thomas knew this was the biggest game of his career. With an illustrious season ,297 rushing yards, caught 49 passes for 532 yards, and scored 13 touchdowns aside from Jim Kelly he excelled in the no huddle. However in Super bowl 25 like the millions watching he was shocked to find Parcells had a strategy to combat Levy a power running game utilizing O.J. Anderson, aided by quarterback rollouts, bootlegs, and play-action fakes.

Yet despite the innovation the Giants trailed narrowly at the half 12-10 but on the first drive of the second half they played Parcells smash mouth Football consuming a Super Bowl record nine minutes and 29 seconds, and included four successful third down conversions. With the Giants turning the ball over on downs on the next poccession Thurman Thomas did what he had done conistently throughout his Hall Of Fame career. Using his speed, Vision and Agility he burst through the Giants defense and cut back through the holes for a 31 yard TD run. Thomas's immacualte run looked like it would be the winning score of Super Bowl 25 but the giants used a 14 play 74 yard drive with Matt Bahr kicking another FG. 20-19 Giants an upset was on the cards.

Kelly then led them down the field with a mix of scrambles, short passes, and Thomas runs. Buffalo drove to the Giants' 29-yard line, setting up Norwood for a 47-yard field goal attempt with eight seconds left. However, his kick barely sailed wide right, and the Giants ran out the clock for a famous victory. What was often neglected as Norowood got the usual media heat was the wind conditions were not favourable for Kickers during the game. Norwood that season was in fact just 1-for-5 from over 40 yards on grass.

Having said all that out of all the super bowl MVP's in this thread and beyonf Thomas was robbed. He had far more yards and catches than New York Giants running back Ottis Anderson, who won the MVP, finishing the game with 102 rushing yards, 1 reception for 7 yards, and a touchdown rushing for 135 yards and a touchdown, while also catching 5 passes for 55 yards.

For Giants fans it was their last triumph until 17 years later. For bills fans it was the start of agony and more big game losses.

marc 698 posts

Whitney Houston made one of the best performances of her life at this game. Then, I think she became involved in drugs and totally threw her career down the drain.

irishwarriors 163 posts

Super Bowl XXVI MVP Gary Clark

After a heartbreaking loss in Super Bowl 25 the Bills had a second consecutive Super Bowl appearance and were more then determined to shake off the memeories of the Scott Norwood horror that every member of the Bills vividly remembered. As they prepared to face the Redskins it seemed most of the pressure was on Buffalo. A shaky performance against the Broncos in the AFC Championship game gave gave an opportunity for Gibbs and the Redskins' coaches to devise a strong game plan to exploit their Super Bowl opponent's weaknesses. Further jitters were further exposed when Thurman Thomas had his helmet moved in order for the stage to be set up for Harry Connick, Jr. to perform the national anthem. This caused Thomas to worry on where his helmet was, causing him to miss Buffalo's first two offensive plays.

As the game began it did indeed look as if Buffalo folded. The Redskins started taking over the game using a dominant offense which led the League in scoring. Glary Clark along with Art monk was one of the deep threats Rypien could throw to. After a sloppy first quarter Clark made an immediate impact catching a 30 yard pass Buffalo to reach their 15-yard line which set up a Gerald Riggs run to put Washington up 17-0 at the half. The Bills became the 8th team to go scoreless in the 1st half.

Like many other alternative MVP's Clark made his play at a time where Buffalo finally got some momentum cutting the score down to 24-10 with 1.30 left in the third period. The Run and Gun offense still had someways to go but for the neutrals watching it was still a game. However after a 11 play 79 yard drive (most of it Running plays) Clark caught a 30 yard pass from the soon to be MVP Rypien to make it 31-10. Despite the attempts of the Bills to make the game more interesting by scoring two more times they were resigned to losing a second consecutive Super bowl.

As for Gary Clark having already capped off a successful season it is not a stretch to say that his career has Canton written on it. 549 catches for 8,742 yards, both third-best in team history, plus 58 scoring catches. Despite being only 5'9" and being 175lbs, he was regarded as one of the toughest players in the league. He consistently battled against hamstring injuries that meant he was barely able to practice at times but he would always be ready to go on game days, only missing six games in his eleven year NFL career. John Madden named him to his All-Madden team eight times and Clark was a player who would get down and block for a run play or fellow receiver down field with the same intensity that he would go after a tough catch. The tough grab was something Clark could always do well, it could be frustrating at times as he would occasionally drop a ball thrown right at his numbers but when it mattered, he always got the job down.

Art monk is heading to the Hall of Fame. Gary Clark was robbed from this MVP award. Seemingly none of them matter because for the average NFL fan over here he was a player worth remembering.

marc 698 posts

I think Art Monk should be in the Hall of Fame, too.

irishwarriors 163 posts
marc 698 posts

Oh, I didn't realize that he was in the class of 2008.